clifford schorer winslow homer. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Jim Welu. JUDITH RICHARDS: You mentioned paleontology. JUDITH RICHARDS: So there's a responsibility to the legacy. Absolutely. So they wouldn't let me do thethey wouldn't let me look at the stacks. In other words, you're trying to build a collection that educates you, that is much more important than just the visual experience of it, that gives a sense of art history. I mean, you know, that's. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sure. But no, I mean, I can'tI didn't think it was a subjectI understood that it wasthese were products made for the export market. And we've obviously done a lot of work on our Pre-Raphaelite exhibition, which was kind of a protractedwe did, basically, a two-year Pre-Raphaelite fiesta, with lots of publications. There wasI would say by the early 2000s, it would start to be multiple deals. JUDITH RICHARDS: Where do these wonderful symposiums take place, the ones that are so passionately [laughs], CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, those areyou know, I'm thinking of very specific ones. CLIFFORD SCHORER: when I bought the company that year. And I had to carry the pieces. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, I bought aand that's when I started buying paintings. I was followed by a security guardthe wholejust followed around. Or maybe donating it, if that was that quality? And the angels that were attending Marythe detail that got me was they had a sunburn, but the straps of their sandals had fallen down, and you could see the outline of the sunburn where their sandal straps were. My aesthetic was decided very early. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was a perfect, you know, confluence of interest at the moment. And I left and I started the company. I mean, he and I did engineering projects from the age ofage 11, he would give me. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I think, you know, my life is here in the States, and, you know, Ithe fortunate thing is that I haven't quit my day job, because if I relied uponbecause the gallery is an unevena very uneven cash flow. And pretty much after 13, I never went back home again. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have you encountered any of those with the works you've acquired? JUDITH RICHARDS: That's how you characterize the collectors in your field now? CLIFFORD SCHORER: so, there weren't purpose-specific stamp and coin auctions in Boston, really. So when they brought me works, I would say, "No, no, no, noyes," and, you know, the yeses were often, you know, good choices out of that basket. So, you know, we can fight that territory one collector at a time, and if that means a deep engagement with one person to try to interest them in something that we think will be rewarding for them, JUDITH RICHARDS: I assume participating in art fairs is a way of broadening your audience, JUDITH RICHARDS: Perhaps collaborations within some other [00:46:02], JUDITH RICHARDS: symposium or whatever you can imagine doing, JUDITH RICHARDS: that will bring in people andyeah, and then convert that, JUDITH RICHARDS: current interest in only contemporary and Modern to, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, our first TEFAF, for which we received some praise and some criticismwhich is exactly what I wantas the radio personality says, "One star or five stars, and nothing in between." Those people are notthey don't exist now, and they don't exist for a lot of reasons. JUDITH RICHARDS: involve yourself in your conversation about this. ], And in the Chinese export world, it wasn't quite that. We all say, "What's wrong? [Laughs.] So there wasn't any collecting going on at that point. But, yes, there did come a time when I sold the house, where I said, you knowall the blue-and-white went to Sotheby's. [00:22:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: I bought it, yes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: by the time I was 19, my business was very successful. TV Shows. It was never conceived as sort of being able to carry, you know, a 19th-century or earlier painting. [Laughs. And I finally saidI said, "Look, how much is it going to cost me, and can I take you to lunch, or, you know, what is it going to take me to get in there?" Pigs. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, some incrediblethere was an estimate of the marketplace, half a million paintings, and the paleontological specimens of that scale are four, five [laughs], yes. That's always fun. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, they weren't targeted. No, it was a lot of fun. And I think I needed more of a therapist than a decorator. $14. He's doing all of these really focal things. [Laughs.]. JUDITH RICHARDS: It sounds like you had a natural eye. I took a little bit of a detour towards the pure craft in the Song dynasty monochromes, but, I mean, one must imagine that in the eighth and ninth centuries in China, they were a thousand years ahead of Europe, and to me, thatyou know, they were creating perfection in porcelain a thousand years before the Europeans even understood what porcelain was. Quotes and excerpts must be cited as follows: Oral history interview with Clifford Schorer, 2018. He'syou know, he sponsors museum events; he sponsors exhibitions. I mean, there wereit was such a different time. Then we did the Lotte Laserstein, the Weimar German show, where we borrowed from the German state institutions for the first time ever, as I understand it, as a private gallery, borrowed from museums, Berlin specifically. And it was a very independent study. But, but then, you know, many, many years later, basically, it was all dissipated. The interview was conducted by Judith Olch Richards forthe Archives of American Art and the Center for the History of Collecting in America at the Frick Art Reference Library of The Frick Collection, and took place at the offices of the Archives of American Art in New York, NY. Just one. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did youwere you maintaining a kind of a wish list, so when you came into thiswhen you had the money, you knew you had your goals? And we'll get back to him, too. I saw people. [00:42:00]. That's why, if you come to our booths today, you'll see that there are wall fabrics; there are modern interiors. That book should be out very soon, actually. I mean, they're all Americans, but theythere's at least someI would say a kernel of the character is forged in the German fire. So, you know, we can talk endlessly about art, and, you know, he invites me to his house, and we look at art. I think the problem was it was the overlap between business and art that made it difficult for them to manage the institution. [00:25:59]. That's good." I remember it was very celebrated. And they are identical sizes; they're both signed; and to me, this is the project that shows Procaccini as the truly important artist that he was, not simply a Lombard artist, but a great artist. And I think we ended up on "Anonymous," because I think that's what I wanted to do, but because of the plaque that's dedicated to my grandfather, people can figure it out. JUDITH RICHARDS: And you bought it? I said, "I'm just a local guy, and I just came by to see this collection. There were things that were not really museum pieces, but they were very valuable things. Thatyou know, the sophistication of the buyer and the marketplace in Old Masters is not going to be swayed in any way by [laughs], you know, that you had something on view momentarily, you know, in a museum; because you leveraged your ego or your money, or whatever it was, they've got your picture on view. During this period of time, the first decade of the century, were you coming across any preparatory drawings or other related material to these major works that you were studying and acquiring, or trying to acquire? JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you want to mention any specifics? But, and I went right toI went right to the paintings. JUDITH RICHARDS: Well, I want to talk about the gallery tomorrow. JUDITH RICHARDS: How did that interest develop? JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you talk to him about collecting at all? So my businesses create a lot of physical assets. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, meaning that I would be a more serious financial player in the art market, not a face. But because of the scarcity, it can't at all occupy as much time and. No, no, theyI mean, but they did have goodthey had the head of Unum Provident Insurance. But Professor Wiggins was ahe was, I think, the head of Fidelity's either Magellan Fund or Puritan Fund. JUDITH RICHARDS: So you can't complain about having to keep your home dark. Howwhat was the process of that reattribution officially? And I said, "Well, whatever your normal process is, just do your normal process. I mean, you know, we have aboutI'm trying to remember how many photographs there are. So, JUDITH RICHARDS: Wow, Lucien Freud is much, JUDITH RICHARDS: further into the decade than, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: You've started your own company, Bottom Line Exchange. I mean [00:02:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. So, you know. They were contemporary dealers. And you eventually, as a young person, you come up against the realization that, you know, there's a handful of things that are up in the stratosphere here that we're never going to touch. And I was just, you know, I was a rebel. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, 2004 or '05, yes. American artist Winslow Homer (1836-1910) the self-taught master best known today for his scenes of nature and the sea got his start as one of the "special artists" of the Civil War. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yeah, I think it'sI think we are scaled right now for the market we're in. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, I mean, I love lending things, and I have a lot of things on loan, and I would like to do more of that. So the short answer is that they may like to have it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And that'sshe may be retired now. So I do have paper files, and now, in my current computer, I will have a rudimentary fact sheet and photographs of just about every painting. These 27 are unaffordable. It's King Seuthes III. JUDITH RICHARDS: What's his name? He focuses on businesses with unique ideas or technologies that are in need of guidance during their . So the gallery has a very good stock book system. Massachusetts native Clifford Schorer said the painting was used as security for a loan he made to Selina Varney (now Rendall) and that he was now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, Anna doesn't do as much of the running around, but Anna is the gallery manager. JUDITH RICHARDS: You don't have the 110-foot specimen? CLIFFORD SCHORER: That's very funny. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, that was an editorial that was written by John Humphries, I think it was, at the time that I had my specimen, and he was worried I was going to take it home. So I was born in 1966 in Rockville Centre, New York. But, yeah, I mean. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, in one case they were actually in the same apartment where the family had sold them from years before. Just a sense of [laughs], CLIFFORD SCHORER: Oh, in a way. I remember reading his book, just because it was there. JUDITH RICHARDS: Had you had a chance to go to Europe by that time? It was a Saint Sebastian. I spoke to others who came to buy for their trade. Anthony takes charge of all the art questions involved with that, and he will then give me some yeoman's work to go and, you know, "Find this; find that," you know, "Keep your eyes open for this, that, and the other thing. [00:04:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: which I will acquire. So I mean, you know, it's fun. And I hadn't ever sold anything, so there was no selling going on. And Julian's now fully retired, but, yes, I mean, we had a long handover period. Yeah. And I could seethere was a sense that I had that Noortman was not long for the world. And that's the way that relationship went for years and years and years, and then, all of a sudden, I popped up sort of with them as a dealer. Cliff has been . A barrister represented Selina Varney (now Rendall) in the title dispute with Shirley Rountree (Rountree v Rendall) turning on the English and Irish laws of: JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. I mean, it's. The Rubens House, the Frans Snyders House, the Rockox House. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I sold it all. It hadit was a face of a man; it looked Renaissance. I probably should, but, you know. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Give up all my business interests and retire to sort of a conversational job where I sat in a shop, and I played shopkeeper, and people came in and looked at my furniture and told me how overpriced it was. Like a Boule chandelier. But we won't go too far there. JUDITH RICHARDS: So you're collecting Italianroughly Italian Baroque; that's around 1600 to 17how do you define it? That's not going to happen. Well, it is, because you have the curators who are advocating for the artwork, for the artists and the collectors. Where there's a profit to be made by. I lived in Massapequa, Long Island, for probably an extended period; I would say from about age seven until aboutactually, from about age eight until about 13. JUDITH RICHARDS: And most of the people bidding at auction in those days were the wholesalers. I said, "I had a great time. So, yes, to me, that was the detour, but it waswhich was pure craft, but I esteem the craft as much as the conception, and I know that I'll never have the craft. So, yes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You have to have a much broader and thinner support base. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because the collection was enormous. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But I think that, in a wayyou know, buying the Cezanne, for example; that's not a picture I would buy for my own collection, but it's a wonderful picture to tell an important art historical story, that if Agnew's can tell it really well, then someone may respond and want the Cezanne, or someone may simply want the Cezanne because they want the Cezanne. "The auction is coming up." Winslow Homer Casting, Number Two, 1894. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have you been involved with other arts institutions besides Worcester? But if something great pops up in our little cabal, it immediately travels up to their level. I went to a boarding school in New Hampshire called Kimball Union Academy, that was not in and of itself a bad high school experience. Clifford Schorer is the Co-Founder & Director at Greenwich Energy Solutions. I started my new company. I mean, I'm still waiting for the great Quentin Matsys show. I had businesses I was running to make money. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that the first time you've encountered that kind of [laughs] situation? So I had readI forgot which painting it was; it was the [Bernardo] Strozzi. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sobecause I downsized my companies. So you've got another decoupling. You know? CLIFFORD SCHORER: And Konrad Bernheimer. $17. My grandfather's collectionmy great-grandfather's collectionwas in the millions of stamps. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So it's a simple fact of plentiful quantities, disparity in quality that I could see and discern, and you could have entry-level objects at $50. The things I brought into the passenger cabin. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, I mean, it helped to give the Worcester Art Museum the breathing space to get their spendI think this year their spend is down to 5.8 percent of endowment, which is the lowest I've ever seen, by an enormous amount. We'll get into that in a few minutes. [00:40:10]. So, I hadit's an unlined painting, so I said, "Well, it's a little fragile." WeI think we borrowed institutional collections, too, which was a rare thing for a gallery. I have the Coronation Halberd of the Archduke Albrecht, and it's in the museum at Worcester [laughs], and, no. Or you found that going. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And, you know, I would never fault any of those folks for their business acumen. And you have to do that, I think, because, again, this is a small market with limited opportunities, and you have to work very hard at the ones you have. I mean, I love George. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is this inbased in Londonbased in Boston? So, yes, I've had, over the years, to send things to the art museum or to conservators or to other places to get them out of my house. Yeah, to me, and I was excited, so excited. I mean, you know, when I think back to the Guercino that, you know, I find in a little catalogue, and then I do the work, you know, it is very gratifying to have something, especially something like van Dyck, which is, to me, you know, in the pantheon of gods. I mean, it's not a viewing area; it's not a formalI mean, it, you know. Or just the, CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, the Adoration is atis in London at Agnew's Gallery at the moment, and The Taking of Christ is in Worcester, hanging, JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that a long-term loan? Raised in Massachusetts, he apprenticed in a lithography shop in Boston in the mid-1850s and soon secured work as a freelance illustrator. [Laughs.] I mean, this year, there might be two and next year there might be none. You know, by the time you're done with all of those things, youyou know, your five percent or seven-and-a-half percent commission is completely consumed, and then some. I'm at my office; I'm looking the Strozzi up, and I see Worcester Art Museum, and then it dawned on me, Wait a minute, they also have that Piero di Cosimo. [00:31:59]. And, JUDITH RICHARDS: You didn't feel encumbered? CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, selling a 50,000 work when you have 800,000 in overheadif you're on a commission basis, you have to sell a lot of 50,000 works. [ 00:22:00 ], clifford SCHORER: by the early 2000s, it would start to be deals. Schorer, 2018 little cabal, it 's not a viewing area ; it 's fun now. 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